The myth of input | How NOT to learn a language

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From my username you can probably tell that I am biased, but I really tried to be impartial on this one After all, I want to know if what I am doing is in vain I watched this video with an open mind and I was ready to change my perspective if presented with the right arguments I stopped at the part in which you compare learning a language to operating a brain Those are 2 skills that have nothing to do with each other You can make mistakes while speaking and still get your point across Even if you compare kinesthetic skills of both (let's say having a steady hand to operate a brain vs pronouncing the "rrrrrrrrrrr" in spanish) they have various degrees of importance
Comment from : Comprehensible Portuguese

Is not dangerous in fact it’s works and complemented with traditional study you can learn a language very efficiently
Comment from : Rafael Oliveira

I believe that comprehensible theory is true but it's not sufficient you need to support it with the practice of other output skills like writing and speaking, to support this argument I will bring up the common example of how children learn or require the language we all know that they get comprehensible input and exposure to tons of daily conversations, but why we don't mention that although children get to understand the language, they can't talk right away, they spend tons of hours speaking nonsense words and sentences and a lot of parents feedback until they become fluent to sum up, practicing and comprehensible inputs are the keys to learning or requiring the language they complete each other and shorten learning time
Comment from : Jifi Hkj

This is my experiencebrIndonesian is my first languagebrbr1 I studied english the traditional way in school since i was 12 years old, i'm 37 so i've learned it for 25 years!brThe result:brReading, Listening: I perfectly understand even the most advanced english conversations or articles, my vocabulary is greatbrSpeaking, writing: Bad, really hard for me to compose a natural sentencebrGrammar: When taking test, i usually score around 90-95 out of 100 But when speaking, my grammar is bad I realize my mistake after i have already said it, really slowbrMy great vocabulary and grammar knowledge are useles, I can not apply it when speakingbrbrI felt like i was really bad at languange learning
Comment from : Afdon Simanjuntak

Thank You for these tips
Comment from : Jorge Luis Pereira da Silva

Sheer hubris If nothing goes in, nothing comes out Humans learn all languages the same way, from the first to the last regardless of what method you think you are learning with Children don't start learning a language only the moment they start speaking Infact they've been acquiring since before they were born Glad you're not my teacher
Comment from : TheCompleteGuitarist

Where can I read your paper?
Comment from : Jordi Rosell

This guys is really hurt
Comment from : Jake Levesque

This guy and most of the comments are being a bit silly 1st, not everyone responds well to the same methods I have been thoroughly confused by vids on YouTube, only to see comments saying “finally a clear explanation!” 2nd, the first rule of becoming fluent is to use a variety of methods Just using input won’t get the average person to fluency Just reading books won’t either The best way to learn anything is to practice recalling info, not just inputting info My partner is Finnish She has always spoken to my son in Finnish He mostly understood it, but could barely speak it until he was 8 It’s still very far behind his English It’s not a binary choice Input is great, other methods can be too
Comment from : peelben

"The problem of definition" is exactly what you faced with, bro What exactly do you mean by studying or acquiring or mastering language? How can you qualify yourself? (I don't mean personally you) What exactly you should say: "I know English" or "I can speak English" or "I understand it", "I have a good command" Are you sure you can actually understand any text in English without a special dictionary? (Here I mean you personally) We've got used to the definition "native speaker" but if the speaker has too little to speak of in his own head isn't it the problem of the lack of comprehensible input?
Comment from : Алексей Кашпуров

''All methods of leaning matter'' if u really need it, you will have it
Comment from : XPMS

I think the input method is so popular because so many people hate learning grammar Input has its place, but it is not the only way one should go about learning another language My father could understand Czech, which his parents spoke fluently, when he heard it, but he could not speak, read or write it much
Comment from : Kaninma

Course didn’t work for me for german, vocabulary in context and Nicos Weg and now I’m speaking grammatically correct without thinking and noticing it, it just go out of my mouth I even don’t know why I’m saying something in certain way but it’s correct, just like when I’m speaking on my own language
Comment from : Matej Kus

Input+practice Problem solved!
Comment from : Roberto Carlos dos Santos

I see most commentors haven't understood Christian 😊
Comment from : putin is a KILLER

I think learning grammar is important Grammar drills are the best way to learn
Comment from : aleterra

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us brbrBut, I think comprehensive input the best way to familiarize and being more comfortable with the language It must come first brbrOf course, the other competencies you will develop on these bases
Comment from : Samoel do Acre - Amazônia Brasileira

I have learned 2 languages (russian/English)because of input
Comment from : Anna Hovhannisyan

I wasted 13 minutes to listen this s**t Thanks I know now that you know nothing about learning language
Comment from : DTH

It is funny to watch a video in English claiming I can't learn English using input, after having learned English through input
Comment from : Adrian Oliveira

oomprehensibe input is just first step
Comment from : 賴文茹

You aught to understand the input hypothesis before you critique it You straw-manned the input hypothesis so badly in this video It isn’t a dogmatic position of ‘only have input’ It is that ‘input precedes output’ almost creating a type of order of operations for language learning
Comment from : William Austin

When an English teacher tries his hand at Rhetoric 😂brbrThis is the most nonsensical argument I've ever heard, and he even tries to make it some kind of weird moral issue I'd say you deserve a D for this attempt, but frankly I can't see how you could score any higher than 35
Comment from : userequaltoNull

The guy is either trying to sell his ways or he is trollingbrBecause its scientifically proven that listening helps speed up a languagebrThats why they tell you to get out of the class room and immerse yourself in the culturebrbrThats why people dumped in foreign countries back in the day would learn the natives language brIts not like they went to a language school or anythingbrbrThe watched, observed and lived itbrbrMonkey see, Monkey dobrbrThis chap is talking out of his backside
Comment from : Craig Gibbons

I wish I could subtract a subscriber
Comment from : Marshall

It seems to me that a human would use all of his or her abilities to learn a language This would include listening, reading, writing and speaking Surely a multi-pronged approach to learning is going to be better than focusing only on one method of language acquisition?
Comment from : David Brisbane

My wife is bilingual She perfectly understands her native language, but cannot communicate in it You are right People get good at what they practice
Comment from : Олег Кисельников

I'm just another one of the many cases listed in this comment section of people who learned a second language based solely on input I started consuming content in English when I was 11, simply because I loved listening to Linkin Park Afterwards, I started watching TV series, movies and a lot of youtube videos about topics I liked I didn't have a conversation partner, nor English classes However, after 4 years or so, I could understand pretty much everything I heard/read and could communicate without any problems My comprehension became so good I could even tell when other people made mistakes in English, no matter how small they were, and later became an English teacher at a language school I achieved that with input exclusively, living in a non English speaking country, having no one to teach me but native content videos By my experience, I have to totally disagree with everything you said in this video brInput works
Comment from : Abraao Melandes

I guess I should tell my fiancée she doesn't actually speak English because she learned it through input
Comment from : Alex

I think your Receptive Bilingualism point is weaker than you think I think to make it into a valid argument you'd need to show that the effort for a RB listener to go to speaking is comparatively difficult as it is for someone who is a complete non-speaker
Comment from : Daniel Rastelli

Hmm You accuse those promoting comprehensible input of promoting the idea for profit yet you have a language course yourself that costs €49 a month Meanwhile many people are able to use comprensible input to learn a language without paying anything It costs nothing extra to watch cartoons in your target language (which are most likely the ones with recorded media because those are the ones most likely to be useful)
Comment from : Alex

Also just curious - how many languages did you learn using your method?
Comment from : Oksana Turkina

Loving the comments here! It's the best advertisement for the comprehensible input 😂😂😂 Keep up the good work, bro!
Comment from : Oksana Eng

This comment section is full of 16 years old people that were abandoned by their family at a cinema with movies of various different languages to watch and they learnt those languages till Native level in 9 months It's so absurd that makes me upset!brbrIf you feel ashamed by the fact your level is not as good as you think it should be, don't writte a comment saying the opposite, because you end up harming other people's journeys The favt that you comment such things makes other think its something real, when it's not Wheter you did what you say or you didn't, it's nearly impossible to speak a language good without saying anything, at least if your TL is really close to your NL
Comment from : Tony Leiva

If input was enough to learn a new language I would be fluent in Japanese just from watching anime for 15 years (I'm not) For me it is best to combine traditional learning (I need a book to explain grammar and a teacher to talk with) and input I've noticed that I loose interest in a language when I can't find any music, cartoons or something similar that I could enjoy
Comment from : Polinka

But I still love the input method 😂
Comment from : Taichientaoyin

Interesting
Comment from : Taichientaoyin

I learned English purely from input To this day I still can’t speak in French despite 8 years of French in school shilling for obsolete methods is irresponsible
Comment from : melc

Stephen Krashen said Comprehensible Input, not just Input Why does everyone get this wrong By the wayKrashen IS RIGHT
Comment from : Rose-Angelie DePond

I totally agree with the author of the video Of course, input is important, and maybe some people can become fluent in a language only through input, but it doesn't work for everyone I often meet people who have been getting a lot of input for many years but they can barely speak the language they learn For example, many translators translate easily from a second language to their native language, and most of them CAN'T speak that language at all! Why is that? They get a huge amount of input for many many years, but still can't speak that second language Why doesn't input work for them? Because they don't practice speaking! brA polyglot, Luca Lampariello in his video called “Can You Really Learn a Language Without Speaking It?” also says that it's impossible to learn to speak only through input
Comment from : Кирилл Ермаков

I think putting in practice the language you learn goes without saying who ONLY listens to a language and hopes to learn it? I think that's a misunderstanding of what Krashen meansbrI have to say that the languages I speak I do mostly because I immersed myself into them I fully learned English by watching series movies and studying medicine (my profession) in English I learned catalan by living in mallorca for 4 years, I learned French by spending a whole year listening to podcasts while cooking and cleaning, and by looking up occasionally the things I didn't get I learned German by living in Munich for 2 months (of course a very basic German, but still) brI don't deny that some grammar played a role in the acquisition of those languages, but without a doubt input has been the main reason I could learn these languagesbrOf course my English, catalan, French and German are not as good as my mother tongue (Spanish), but I can say with confidence that I can communicate in these languages, and I owe it to the Krashen method
Comment from : Juan B Cisneros

Comprehensible input is exactly how I learned to speak Spanish, Italian, and French fluently, and also how I am currently learning Russian at a fast pace
Comment from : Jameezy Breezy

I learned most of my Vietnamese from input only, same with Englishbr100 input is wrong but vocabulary lists are even worse
Comment from : Ha Raffael

While searching for some language lessons for a family friend, I stumbled across this I feel disgusted with this misinformation Input works wonders I've experienced this from both sides, with non-native English speaking students and friends, and myself in successfully learning a difficult second language as an adult
Comment from : Daniel Gallucci

I've also learned English by watching, reading lots of content School, with its grammar rules and words memorization, has taught me almost nothing about English (and it was boring as well)
Comment from : Artemi9a

I am with Canguro Don’t be fooled by Krashen and the followers Please google and have a bit of understanding re: critical period of language acquisition and brain plasticity brbrBefore puberty, that is to say before your brain is soft and not totally colonised by the mother tongue, input theory works However, once you are over the period, no matter how much input, it does not make you speak as your mother tongue is already in charge So you need to practice speaking in order to speak as Cangruro suggestsbrbrProof needed? (1) 12 year’s English input at school does not make Koreans and Japaneses speak English You know if you have been there (2) Lots of 2nd gen immigrants cannot speak their parents’ language regardless of how much inputbrbrInput and output should go hand in hand right from the early stage for learners 4 skills to be practiced proportionately You can trust me I studied language acquisition at postgrad course
Comment from : 오지남 Man in Aussie

I don't understand why there are so many likes on this video yet so many comments against the idea
Comment from : drno62

His argument is just pure framing rather than Evidence-based approach to how to effectively aquire a language Watch I can do the same thing:brbr"Class based rote learning is an oppressive system of education that seeks to imperialise the learner a standard way It cannot teach all varieties and common dialects of a language, therefore deciding to priviledge one form of speech over another; of which the learner must recite on command It sucks the soul and beauty out of the messy conglomarate which is language Class based teaching is a blight against the purity of input based learning, not just ways of speaking, but ways of being - it acts as a flattening or deadening of a language by aborting it from its cultural milieu" brbrAnyone can make something sounds like an injustice with pithy language and brooding looks
Comment from : Theo Davies

Input is not a myth; it works
Comment from : Eoghan O’Connell

I recommended this teacher to read Krashen's original works I think this teacher didn't understand the concept of "acquisition", which is totally the opposite from what he have said, "error correction" or learning Krashen has evidence of the uneffectiveness of error correction This teacher also missed another part of the theory, that is the silent period Languge learners, like children who acquire their mother tongue, have a period they not yet prepared to generate output But that doesn't mean they don't know anything of the languge, they know something, but just not enough See, output, esspecially the output of a adult languge learner, requires a high level of comprehension, so that they can convey their messages to other adults So that they need sufficient input to let him prepared from output So, I think this teacher just ignored some components of Krashen's theory
Comment from : ho pe

I'd like to know what song it is at the end of the video :]
Comment from : Eloïse

no le voy a hacer caso a alguien que habla español con un acento de mierda siendo que esta mr baron que aprendio con input y tiene un acento venezolano hermoso
Comment from : Mauricio Salinas

Don't listen to this guy everyone He is simply trying to stay relevant, which is unfortunate for someone "teaching"
Comment from : Browdy

Dude am the perfect counter examplebrI learned english at school, they forced us to talk in english whilenwe had no idea what we where doingbrAt the end of high school noone , absolutely no one was able to speakbrI watched alll tv with subtitles, sometimes i didnt even had them, for years cause i had no choice, and i never learned any grammar rulesbrMaybe it doesnt apply to russian , but for English, as a french native, comprehensive input is just incomparable
Comment from : allafleche

Este vato tiene razón Tienes que hablar
Comment from : D Lawrence

If you think that comprehensible input is "easy", it's very clear you have never actually tried to commit to it and see it through It's one of the hardest ways to learn anything, and it requires extreme will power
Comment from : Bulmaro Jimenez

Good afternoon I think the truth is somewhere in the middle Before his theory, thousands of people were taught foreign languages in the traditional way, and their teachers were also taught by other teachers Read, write, speak grammatically
Comment from : Antivirus Antivirus

I believe that in the process of learning English, input should be prioritized My argument is straightforward: I cannot speak about something if I do not comprehend it Even children spend their first few years listening before they begin to speak The actual challenge in learning English is not speaking; rather, it is comprehending English speakers When you can understand what you hear, speaking will naturally follow as a result of your comprehension However, I comprehend Christian's perspective He suggests a more dynamic approach to the learning process that involves multiple nuances
Comment from : Julian Patiño

I learned what I came her for The counter argument against input learning But I wish it wasn't a video that left such a bad taste in my mouth
Comment from : Lefty

The main element in learning is memory Any method is effective as long as you have a strategy to keep it there YT language videos devote precious little time to this matter After memory is repetition To embed it into long-term memory we need exposure to it at least several times So whatever strategy you use, it will be ineffective without applying some sort of memory practice I have a linear memory map of my neighborhood and city to memorize Chinese characters It is my own personal 'index' Comprehensible input works I'm sure but for Chinese characters and words, it would take too long for me When I learn a new phrase or word, I also try to attach it to something I already know such as a place or event in my life
Comment from : Randalls Terminal

please stop,you are embarrassing yourself
Comment from : Camero Emrah

Learned Norwegian, and English with comprehensible input Now I am learning Spanish It IS the best and most effective way of learning a language You can continue to talk trash, you still will be wrong :) Have a nice life
Comment from : IPMI

Wow did you just compare language acquisition with a brain surgery?? -_-brLanguage is a natural thing for modern human brThere are native speakers of English, Chinese, Japanese, Spanish etc who dont need any extra effort to learn their native languages except through input and interaction with their parent and family since they are a kid But there will be no native speaker(?) of surgery or math any other skill that aren't natural like a language
Comment from : Alex Jonathan

i think anyone teaching a language should learn a few other languages to a high degree trying a couple of different methods it would help a lot
Comment from : bonsaipropaganda

Acquiring a language is totally different from studying medicine or becoming a surgeon Comprehensible Input doesn’t mean that you don't have to produce language in certain parts of the process, in fact output comes naturally, it starts in your brain in a natural way after a while, but you have to continue with the input to acquire the leanguage in a good level and improve output as well brInput is not a method, simply is something that happens in your brain, if you want to do it through grammar lessons, exams, speaking practices with low levels of vocabulary, you can do it, probably the progress it will be slowly, but what your brain will unconsciously do is the same (comprehensible input) than you actually can do with other more inmersive and effective activitiesbrHowever, it is not a shortcut, it is a long process that requires patience, but probably you will enjoy it a lot most of the time
Comment from : Ol Picado

super interesting; this made me believe in input more
Comment from : viewer

this input was not comprehensible to me
Comment from : Quiet Music

I love ur advices bro thank u
Comment from : ssamou guernane

I think input is extremely important but it isn't EVERYTHING like Stephen Krashen says
Comment from : Yiannis Roubos

Thanks for the video! A lot of good stuff here
Comment from : Yiannis Roubos

I have to say that I was disappointed in this video Quite apart from whether the theory of comprehensible input is correct or not -- and also whether it is helpful or not -- my problems with this video are of a logical nature To name just one example, he constructs a straw man concerning the ability to speak: Those language learners that I have heard talk about comprehensible input are in total agreement that practicing speaking improves your ability to speak They simply make the assertion that it is the input that gives you the best prerequsites to be bable/b to speak I see no contradiction there Also in his other points his arguments are weak to embarrassingly weak; thumbs down I shall search further for good counterarguments, which are after all the foundation of any understanding of a theory
Comment from : mathAHA

Comprehensible input is working from what I can tell so far If anyone is interested in learning Spanish check out Dreaming Spanish and start with the super beginner videos Eventually youll want to practice output of course, but CI works according to plenty of people who have learned without memorizing any vocab or grammar rules
Comment from : fleetze

Well I actually learned English with combination of English classes during High School and watching a lot of English movies and series with subtittles and games Fun fact is When I began learning second language I've noticed how English spelling system is messed up! After 10 yeras of using English 😂😂 Comprehensible Input works I teached my mom today a few English words with this method in a few seconds! She still remember them after half of a day It works
Comment from : tommyprotramp

I have read up on numerous programs and not a single one defines comprehensible input like you do here Everyone including Krashen himself talks and teaches that at a point you must start practicing speech
Comment from : Jonathan Bell

I totally agree with your message I, myself, am an example of this exact situation where you learn a language by acquiring tons of input but producing very little output As a result, I can read and understand all kinds of English texts, from highly technical engineering/science papers to David Foster Wallace's Infinite Jest Still, I need help with writing simple blog posts (Grammarly become my best friend) and have an even harder time speaking about almost anything Needless to say, this isn't very pleasant for me Even more so, now that I moved to a new country and started working in an international company Yes, I am kinda shy and introvert by nature but not to the degree that I wouldn't be able to speak if it was my native language In fact, I think I am quite a "well-spoken" person in my native language which makes the new situation I am in even more hurtful for me I also almost entirely listened/watched American tv shows, youtube videos, online courses, etc So I am absolutely fine comprehending the American accents (for example, I usually watch youtube videos at 2x speed), but now I have an Irish team leader and a Scottish teammate, so from time to time I am having quite a hard time understanding what they are talking about brbrIn the end, the input is necessary, it comes first, and there may be some people that it is all they need to acquire a language But in my case, and I believe I am not alone, it only got me so far without output So what I think really important here is "practice" Like you said, if you want to get better at reading, read more If you want to get better at speaking, speak more This is even true for most people's native language skills, let alone for the second languages or more It's all about practice
Comment from : Enes Faruk BALLI

Reading the comments I'm seeing this dude get a lot of hate He's exaggerating and makes some brash statements that I wouldn't agree with, but he is also making some valid points Comprehensible input is clearly a big part of learning a language, but so is output He's critiquing the methods that involve only utilizing comprehensible input but completely neglecting output In my opinion after learning several languages, you learn the fastest by producing it, not by consuming it Ideally you want a good balance between the two
Comment from : Mind Drip

- "learn language by understanding(!) it"br- "only listening(!) doesnt work"brbrsuch a strawman
Comment from : ムャソト　 Apyr

This gentleman is correct Comprehensible input is of no value whatsoever if one wishes to learn Australian, a language that can only be understood by other Australiens ¡Yo no entiendo NADA!
Comment from : Abuelito pastelero

Cang is CORRECT for people such as me I am passively fluent where i understand and read French having been around french family The problem is we have such comprehensive material about how to navigate CI, but not enough basic material to learn how to speak Telling someone to just speak is not the same as having flash cards and Netflix chrome extensions Please don't tell me that i don't have enough CI cause I've had enough for over 40 years I'm moving to Germany, which is the reason for wanting to now speak with family in France
Comment from : HALFAMAZINGTV

Your video is complete b*******you don't even know what is comprehensible input I have learnt my second language Hindi by watching movies and videos I never study grammar vocabulary , sentence structure
Comment from : Lusifer

So, you have no experience of comprehensible input but you are telling us it absolutely does not work? Seems legit It worked for me but obviously I'm wrong lol
Comment from : Punk Guy

dont even watch the video on x2, he just says very slowly misleading half truths
Comment from : Raico68

I disagree My mother who learned English without ever picking up a textbook or studying it is an example of how input is so important Studying a language like studying chemistry is not the way to go
Comment from : WeShould SaveOurselves

What I think is, we need to practice Because when we practice we create emotions, and this moments and emotions will eventually make we better But I still believe in the method of acquire a language through millions and millions of hours in listening or watching
Comment from : Everson Vedoveto